Comments on: Jo’burg, We Have a Problem http://destination-out.com/?p=137 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:25:19 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Sid http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-93404 Sid Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:07:30 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-93404 Please reup this album? It's impossible to find! Please reup this album? It’s impossible to find!

]]> By: jacob http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-92819 jacob Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:09:23 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-92819 any chance you could reup these tracks? i have been looking for/wanting to hear this record for a long time.... any chance you could reup these tracks? i have been looking for/wanting to hear this record for a long time….

]]> By: beelzbubba http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-63110 beelzbubba Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:19:21 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-63110 Ibrahim took this band on the road in 1973/1974 and I was fortunate to see African Space Program performed live at Joe Segal's Jazz Showcase when it was in the basement spot at the corner of Rush & Oak streets. I don't remember how many were in the band but they damn near outnumbered the audience. Standouts were Hamiet Bluiett, Carlos Ward, Cecil McBee, Cecil Bridgewater, Roy Brooks, Kiane Zawadi and of course Abdullah Ibrahim. I had heard a prototype of Tintiyana on the Elvin Jones date Midnight Walk, but I was not prepared for the way it was presented live--much like it is on the album. The band, a small orchestra really, played a brooding, swirling maelstrom, with Ibrahim at the helm, pounding out a dense percussive storm on the keyboard, swelling then receding then swelling again. At times he'd quiet the band by playing more and more softly and McBee would take over for a lengthy arco passage--then subtly but surely slipped into the joyous anthem that has become Ibrahim's theme. Amazing. Brilliant. Still holds up well after all these years. Ibrahim took this band on the road in 1973/1974 and I was fortunate to see African Space Program performed live at Joe Segal’s Jazz Showcase when it was in the basement spot at the corner of Rush & Oak streets. I don’t remember how many were in the band but they damn near outnumbered the audience. Standouts were Hamiet Bluiett, Carlos Ward, Cecil McBee, Cecil Bridgewater, Roy Brooks, Kiane Zawadi and of course Abdullah Ibrahim.

I had heard a prototype of Tintiyana on the Elvin Jones date Midnight Walk, but I was not prepared for the way it was presented live–much like it is on the album. The band, a small orchestra really, played a brooding, swirling maelstrom, with Ibrahim at the helm, pounding out a dense percussive storm on the keyboard, swelling then receding then swelling again. At times he’d quiet the band by playing more and more softly and McBee would take over for a lengthy arco passage–then subtly but surely slipped into the joyous anthem that has become Ibrahim’s theme.

Amazing. Brilliant. Still holds up well after all these years.

]]> By: Arvid http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-47047 Arvid Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:14:46 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-47047 I haven't heard very much of Carlos Ward's playing, but the little I've heard is far from second-tier. Check out his work on Carla Bley's Social Studies, especially on the pearl "Utviklingssang". I haven’t heard very much of Carlos Ward’s playing, but the little I’ve heard is far from second-tier. Check out his work on Carla Bley’s Social Studies, especially on the pearl “Utviklingssang”.

]]> By: Sunmyth http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46662 Sunmyth Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:42:55 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46662 I saw Ibrahim live in NYC a few weeks ago. Very nice. I saw Ibrahim live in NYC a few weeks ago. Very nice.

]]> By: Yulun http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46245 Yulun Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:33:11 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46245 Wow! I don't have this one. But it brings back to memories many nights spent in the mid/late 1980s at the old Sweet Basil checking out this band. When the rhythm section started to churning out that vamp, and Carlos Ward, John Stubblefield (and sometimes Sonny Fortune) got up out of their seats to take their solos - Watch out that you don't get blown out of the club! Wow! I don’t have this one. But it brings back to memories many nights spent in the mid/late 1980s at the old Sweet Basil checking out this band. When the rhythm section started to churning out that vamp, and Carlos Ward, John Stubblefield (and sometimes Sonny Fortune) got up out of their seats to take their solos – Watch out that you don’t get blown out of the club!

]]> By: Brian Olewnick http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46173 Brian Olewnick Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:23:49 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46173 This was the first Ibrahim (then Brand) I ever heard. I was in the Harvard Coop, fall of '74, browsing the jazz area. The heads of each section at the time rotated PA rights and the jazz guy, a tall fellow with frizzy blond hair who turned me on to many albums, would aggravate the rest of the store by insisting on playing the most raucous free jazz. One day this was booming over the speakers and I was stunned. Became a huge fan instantly. All of the Ibrahim catalog on Enja from that period is excellent (especially the first duo with Dyani which I think you guys have previously featured here). In fact, anything of his up to the mid 70s is a safe bet; check out the solo stuff on Japo ("African Piano"!) if you can. He gets sketchier, for my taste, after 1980 or so but.... This was the first Ibrahim (then Brand) I ever heard. I was in the Harvard Coop, fall of ’74, browsing the jazz area. The heads of each section at the time rotated PA rights and the jazz guy, a tall fellow with frizzy blond hair who turned me on to many albums, would aggravate the rest of the store by insisting on playing the most raucous free jazz. One day this was booming over the speakers and I was stunned. Became a huge fan instantly.

All of the Ibrahim catalog on Enja from that period is excellent (especially the first duo with Dyani which I think you guys have previously featured here). In fact, anything of his up to the mid 70s is a safe bet; check out the solo stuff on Japo (“African Piano”!) if you can. He gets sketchier, for my taste, after 1980 or so but….

]]> By: godoggo http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46144 godoggo Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:09:53 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46144 Yeah, I find this much more interesting than the other Brand stuff I've heard. Yeah, I find this much more interesting than the other Brand stuff I’ve heard.

]]> By: nick http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46137 nick Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:37:07 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46137 The other day, I left the office to get lunch, and WKCR was playing selections from the Carlos Ward discography. When I tuned in, it was near the end of Jabulani; when the whole band comes back in at the end, I lost it. I was in tears, weeping at the beauty of this music. I had to take the long way back to the office so that I didn't look like a complete crackhead. Point is, everyone should go get a copy of African Space Program. Especially if you've heard Ibrahim's later things and been non-plussed. The other day, I left the office to get lunch, and WKCR was playing selections from the Carlos Ward discography. When I tuned in, it was near the end of Jabulani; when the whole band comes back in at the end, I lost it. I was in tears, weeping at the beauty of this music. I had to take the long way back to the office so that I didn’t look like a complete crackhead. Point is, everyone should go get a copy of African Space Program. Especially if you’ve heard Ibrahim’s later things and been non-plussed.

]]> By: godoggo http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46117 godoggo Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:30:21 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46117 I'm not much of a collector, and don't own Pangaea, but as it happens as I had just started listening to the stream of my favorite local radio show, <a href="http://www.kcrw.com/music/programs/cc/chocolate_city" rel="nofollow">Chocolate City</a>, and the first sound is a lengthy extract from it...anyways I know Fortune mainly from Tyner's <i>Sahara</i>, and I can't imagine anybody considering him 2nd tier after hearing that. I’m not much of a collector, and don’t own Pangaea, but as it happens as I had just started listening to the stream of my favorite local radio show, Chocolate City, and the first sound is a lengthy extract from it…anyways I know Fortune mainly from Tyner’s Sahara, and I can’t imagine anybody considering him 2nd tier after hearing that.

]]> By: peter breslin http://destination-out.com/?p=137&cpage=1#comment-46112 peter breslin Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:33:15 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=137#comment-46112 Hi- Thanks for this! It's great to hear Sonny Fortune in this context and A/B his playing with the work he does on Agharta/Pangaea. PB Hi- Thanks for this! It’s great to hear Sonny Fortune in this context and A/B his playing with the work he does on Agharta/Pangaea.

PB

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