Comments on: We Need a Holiday http://destination-out.com/?p=155 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:25:19 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: EgadsDVT http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-93546 EgadsDVT Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:42:34 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-93546 How about World Saxophone Quartet? Funky in their DNA, I believe, but especially on the Rhythm & Blues album--cf "For the Love of Money" (and even funkier in live performance. [oddly enough I was reminded of this by the anti-spam-requirement word, which was "Bluiett"] Also will note that I once saw Lester Bowie explain the the Art Ensemble of Chicago grew out of weekly jam sessions that also spawned ... Earth Wind & Fire. Has anyone discussed Miles in this vein? How about World Saxophone Quartet? Funky in their DNA, I believe, but especially on the Rhythm & Blues album–cf “For the Love of Money” (and even funkier in live performance.

[oddly enough I was reminded of this by the anti-spam-requirement word, which was "Bluiett"]

Also will note that I once saw Lester Bowie explain the the Art Ensemble of Chicago grew out of weekly jam sessions that also spawned … Earth Wind & Fire.

Has anyone discussed Miles in this vein?

]]> By: platterpacker http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-56947 platterpacker Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:54:28 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-56947 The Strata-East and Black Jazz catalogs seemed to stride that line and blur it often. Right now I'm listening to Big Black's Elements of Now Lp on Uni and it has some seriously funky bits. Oneness of JuJu's post Strata-East material is a mix of almost commercial sounding funk with definite out tendencies. Also the Human Arts Ensemble material I've heard is awesome heavy swinging avant funk. Particularly the Luther Thomas and HAE reissue on Atavistic, Funky Donkey. I also have an Lp fro '81 on Muse called P'nk J'zz by Charles "Bobo" Shaw and the HAE that has a similar funk happening. The Strata-East and Black Jazz catalogs seemed to stride that line and blur it often. Right now I’m listening to Big Black’s Elements of Now Lp on Uni and it has some seriously funky bits. Oneness of JuJu’s post Strata-East material is a mix of almost commercial sounding funk with definite out tendencies. Also the Human Arts Ensemble material I’ve heard is awesome heavy swinging avant funk. Particularly the Luther Thomas and HAE reissue on Atavistic, Funky Donkey. I also have an Lp fro ’81 on Muse called P’nk J’zz by Charles “Bobo” Shaw and the HAE that has a similar funk happening.

]]> By: krowseye http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-56130 krowseye Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:03:02 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-56130 Two somewhat obscure records, re-born in the digital age: 1) The Philadelphia-based group Catalyst, led by tenor Odean Pope released four excellent Jazz-Funk releases in the early 70s on the 32 Jazz label. These have been re-issued on the compilation CD "the Funkiest Band You Never Heard. A couple clunkers in the bunch but fantasic stuff! Available through Amazon 2) Love Animal, drummer Bob Moses answer to the jazz-rock mashups of 1968-1970 Two somewhat obscure records, re-born in the digital age:

1) The Philadelphia-based group Catalyst, led by tenor Odean Pope released four excellent Jazz-Funk releases in the early 70s on the 32 Jazz label. These have been re-issued on the compilation CD “the Funkiest Band You Never Heard. A couple clunkers in the bunch but fantasic stuff! Available through Amazon

2) Love Animal, drummer Bob Moses answer to the jazz-rock mashups of 1968-1970

]]> By: djll http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-56080 djll Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:12:27 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-56080 btw -- the "Willie Nelson" Miles named his tune after was a country music singer - songwriter, not the presidential candidate. btw — the “Willie Nelson” Miles named his tune after was a country music singer – songwriter, not the presidential candidate.

]]> By: Yulun http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55884 Yulun Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:38:12 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55884 How about Carlos Ward - one of the original members of BT Express. "Do it, do it, do it til you're satisfied!" How about Carlos Ward – one of the original members of BT Express. “Do it, do it, do it til you’re satisfied!”

]]> By: nickj http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55464 nickj Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:10:38 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55464 Joe McPhee's "Snakey Jake," of course. And the two Bayete Todd Cochran albums. His playing on those, esp his second album is waaay more squonked than those tinkly keys on "Yebo." But it's still a cool surprise to see him on the same track as the 74-75 Miles band. Joe McPhee’s “Snakey Jake,” of course.

And the two Bayete Todd Cochran albums. His playing on those, esp his second album is waaay more squonked than those tinkly keys on “Yebo.” But it’s still a cool surprise to see him on the same track as the 74-75 Miles band.

]]> By: Charles http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55454 Charles Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:02:00 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55454 Speaking of Vernon Reid, Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Calvin Weston: the three of them together are on a new cd coming out from Thirsty Ear called free form funky frÄ?qs which is sort of up this alley. http://www.thirstyear.com/ The label has lots of interesting pair-ups of hip-hop and free jazzers and what not. I still have no idea why it hasn't reached the top of the pops yet. Speaking of Vernon Reid, Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Calvin Weston: the three of them together are on a new cd coming out from Thirsty Ear called free form funky frÄ?qs which is sort of up this alley.
http://www.thirstyear.com/
The label has lots of interesting pair-ups of hip-hop and free jazzers and what not. I still have no idea why it hasn’t reached the top of the pops yet.

]]> By: zukunft http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55402 zukunft Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:36:08 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55402 Frank Lowe - "Chu's Blues" from "Fresh" (1974). Or AEoC's "Theme De Yoyo" from "Les Stances a Sophie" (1970). Frank Lowe – “Chu’s Blues” from “Fresh” (1974). Or AEoC’s “Theme De Yoyo” from “Les Stances a Sophie” (1970).

]]> By: djll http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55277 djll Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:21:52 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55277 Supposedly Lester Bowie is on some of (his wife) Fontella Bass' soul records... and arranged, I believe, too. Haven't heard those 'cept Rescue Me. ca. 1981 I saw "James White and the Blacks" which was really James Chance backed by Defunkt, and it was killer. I remember wishing the front man would shut the fuck up and just let Joe and his crew take it. Material's "Memory Serves" is one of my favorite records from the early 1980s. As is "Are You Glad To Be In America?" by James Blood Ulmer. Surprised he's not mentioned yet in this thread, or did I miss it? Supposedly Lester Bowie is on some of (his wife) Fontella Bass’ soul records… and arranged, I believe, too. Haven’t heard those ‘cept Rescue Me.

ca. 1981 I saw “James White and the Blacks” which was really James Chance backed by Defunkt, and it was killer. I remember wishing the front man would shut the fuck up and just let Joe and his crew take it.

Material’s “Memory Serves” is one of my favorite records from the early 1980s. As is “Are You Glad To Be In America?” by James Blood Ulmer. Surprised he’s not mentioned yet in this thread, or did I miss it?

]]> By: godoggo http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55256 godoggo Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:12:23 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55256 Well, for the avant-to-mersh transition, there's Vernon Reid. I love Bootsy, and whenever anybody mentions him, I always (you can look it up!) note that he did a tune with Carla Bley on the old Night Music show. Well, for the avant-to-mersh transition, there’s Vernon Reid.

I love Bootsy, and whenever anybody mentions him, I always (you can look it up!) note that he did a tune with Carla Bley on the old Night Music show.

]]> By: charles http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55171 charles Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:45:31 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55171 Ummm, there's a tympani break in the middle the Paul Whiteman tune "There Ain't No Sweet Man..." that sounds like it is straight out of a De La Soul tune.. oops my time-machine was set in reverse. I can't think of anyone who crossed over like Mtume but a lot of folks crossed the other way (from pop to free...like Lester Bowie). Speaking of AACM, plenty of great funk tunes in the recordings of AECO. Sun Ra "Perfect Man" from the Singles..woooh..so funky. Defunkt, led by Joseph Bowie, was like half-way famous for a minute and really funky and James Chance was sort of funky when covering James Brown and sort of famous. Derek Bailey with Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Calvin Weston whoah..don't know why this didn't soar to the top of the charts. Jamaaladeen's 80's solo records are funky and weird and more popular than most weird music but that's not saying much. Oh, Material...Bill Laswell's deal...has some really funky stuff with lots of free players, Threadgill did some really tweaked arranging of some horn parts on "Cosmic Slop", a pfunk tune on one of their records. When I first read the question my first thought was "why not Parliament-Funkadelic or are they not free enough?" I am (not so) secretly addicted to Booty's Rubber Band Ummm, there’s a tympani break in the middle the Paul Whiteman tune “There Ain’t No Sweet Man…” that sounds like it is straight out of a De La Soul tune.. oops my time-machine was set in reverse.
I can’t think of anyone who crossed over like Mtume but a lot of folks crossed the other way (from pop to free…like Lester Bowie).
Speaking of AACM, plenty of great funk tunes in the recordings of AECO.
Sun Ra “Perfect Man” from the Singles..woooh..so funky.
Defunkt, led by Joseph Bowie, was like half-way famous for a minute and really funky
and James Chance was sort of funky when covering James Brown and sort of famous.
Derek Bailey with Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Calvin Weston whoah..don’t know why this didn’t soar to the top of the charts.
Jamaaladeen’s 80′s solo records are funky and weird and more popular than most weird music but that’s not saying much.
Oh, Material…Bill Laswell’s deal…has some really funky stuff with lots of free players, Threadgill did some really tweaked arranging of some horn parts on “Cosmic Slop”, a pfunk tune on one of their records.

When I first read the question my first thought was “why not Parliament-Funkadelic or are they not free enough?” I am (not so) secretly addicted to Booty’s Rubber Band

]]> By: Andrew http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-55032 Andrew Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:03:51 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-55032 Alfonse Mouzon? Alfonse Mouzon?

]]> By: Sam http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-54863 Sam Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:55:52 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-54863 I'm partial to Roscoe Mitchell's "You Wastin' My Tyme," from the Black Saint LP "Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound and Space Ensembles" (1984). Super-funky bass saxophone from Mitchell and contrabass sarrusophone from Gerald Oshita. Not really a crossover tune, though, so maybe not what you seek. I’m partial to Roscoe Mitchell’s “You Wastin’ My Tyme,” from the Black Saint LP “Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound and Space Ensembles” (1984). Super-funky bass saxophone from Mitchell and contrabass sarrusophone from Gerald Oshita. Not really a crossover tune, though, so maybe not what you seek.

]]> By: avraamov http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-54226 avraamov Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:25:50 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-54226 to my mind "warriors dance - little don" by don pullen, chico freeman, fred hopkins and bobby battle is just about as 50-50 free/funk as you can get (although it's the jazzier end of the funk leg). zbigniew namizlowski put out some free prog funk on muza. also anatoly vapirov's leningrad jazz ensemble (eponymous) did some sci-fi inflected jazz funk with some girl-in-a-reverb-chamber vocals to add to the madness. to my mind “warriors dance – little don” by don pullen, chico freeman, fred hopkins and bobby battle is just about as 50-50 free/funk as you can get (although it’s the jazzier end of the funk leg). zbigniew namizlowski put out some free prog funk on muza. also anatoly vapirov’s leningrad jazz ensemble (eponymous) did some sci-fi inflected jazz funk with some girl-in-a-reverb-chamber vocals to add to the madness.

]]> By: thin http://destination-out.com/?p=155&cpage=1#comment-54216 thin Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:54:31 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=155#comment-54216 What about Gato Barbieri? The strangest transition, really: from a late coltrane 'Impulse' sound, to full on hairy chest medallion CTI smoothness in less than a decade. I kind of hear his Pharoah Sanders tone in a lot of smooth jazz tenor players, even if nothing else owes much to Pharoah. Been listening ot Live in New York Chapter 4 by him recently, and it captures the transition point nicely. Opening track has poems in spanish over free form percussion, last track is a smooth bossa with twinkly rhodes L What about Gato Barbieri?

The strangest transition, really: from a late coltrane ‘Impulse’ sound, to full on hairy chest medallion CTI smoothness in less than a decade. I kind of hear his Pharoah Sanders tone in a lot of smooth jazz tenor players, even if nothing else owes much to Pharoah.

Been listening ot Live in New York Chapter 4 by him recently, and it captures the transition point nicely. Opening track has poems in spanish over free form percussion, last track is a smooth bossa with twinkly rhodes

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