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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
		<link>http://destination-out.com/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-92642</link>
		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually used to have a Kirk-playing-3-saxophones T-shirt that I sent away for out of an ad in Downbeat, although his name was spelled &quot;Rashaan&quot; on it.

Um, anyway, I thought I&#039;d just clarify what  I was just thinking: the thing about chaos would be a reference to the idea, which would probably be familiar to any Chinese schoolboy or girl, that throughout its history, China has alternated between periods of stability and chaos...Actually I just googled the Chinese phrase, and apparently it&#039;s from &lt;a href=&quot;http://chinese.dsturgeon.net/text.pl?node=1659&amp;if=en&amp;searchu=%E9%82%AA%E8%AA%AA%E6%9A%B4%E8%A1%8C%E5%8F%88%E4%BD%9C%EF%BC%8C%E5%9C%92%E5%9B%BF%E3%80%81%E6%B1%99%E6%B1%A0%E3%80%81%E6%B2%9B%E6%BE%A4%E5%A4%9A%E8%80%8C%E7%A6%BD%E7%8D%B8%E8%87%B3%E3%80%82&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mencius&lt;/a&gt; ?Mengzi):  &quot;A long time has elapsed since this world of men received its being, and there has been along its history now a period of good order, and now a period of confusion.&quot; Well, live and learn.

Anyways, it occurred to me that some of the odd phrases, &quot;free jazz factions,&quot; &quot;make use of modern music&#039;s new free jazz&quot; are deliberately, if vaguely political, and it seems that &quot;free jazz&quot; is standing in for freedom, or liberalism ?“freedom idea&quot; in Chinese). Dunno if the cartoonist had anything more specific in mind than that, but I&#039;m thinking probably not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually used to have a Kirk-playing-3-saxophones T-shirt that I sent away for out of an ad in Downbeat, although his name was spelled &#8220;Rashaan&#8221; on it.</p>
<p>Um, anyway, I thought I&#8217;d just clarify what  I was just thinking: the thing about chaos would be a reference to the idea, which would probably be familiar to any Chinese schoolboy or girl, that throughout its history, China has alternated between periods of stability and chaos&#8230;Actually I just googled the Chinese phrase, and apparently it&#8217;s from <a href="http://chinese.dsturgeon.net/text.pl?node=1659&amp;if=en&amp;searchu=%E9%82%AA%E8%AA%AA%E6%9A%B4%E8%A1%8C%E5%8F%88%E4%BD%9C%EF%BC%8C%E5%9C%92%E5%9B%BF%E3%80%81%E6%B1%99%E6%B1%A0%E3%80%81%E6%B2%9B%E6%BE%A4%E5%A4%9A%E8%80%8C%E7%A6%BD%E7%8D%B8%E8%87%B3%E3%80%82" rel="nofollow">Mencius</a> ?Mengzi):  &#8220;A long time has elapsed since this world of men received its being, and there has been along its history now a period of good order, and now a period of confusion.&#8221; Well, live and learn.</p>
<p>Anyways, it occurred to me that some of the odd phrases, &#8220;free jazz factions,&#8221; &#8220;make use of modern music&#8217;s new free jazz&#8221; are deliberately, if vaguely political, and it seems that &#8220;free jazz&#8221; is standing in for freedom, or liberalism ?“freedom idea&#8221; in Chinese). Dunno if the cartoonist had anything more specific in mind than that, but I&#8217;m thinking probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
		<link>http://destination-out.com/?p=210&#038;cpage=1#comment-92622</link>
		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, know,  I was so focused on decyphering those blotches that I missed that it&#039;s clearly meant as a little parable about Chinese history.  I&#039;m a little curious to know about the source.  The traditional characters indicate it&#039;s probably from Taiwan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, know,  I was so focused on decyphering those blotches that I missed that it&#8217;s clearly meant as a little parable about Chinese history.  I&#8217;m a little curious to know about the source.  The traditional characters indicate it&#8217;s probably from Taiwan.</p>
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		<title>By: R Gould-Saltman</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Gould-Saltman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I want, no I need, this cartoon on a t-shirt, headlined 
&quot;Let everyone taste the strange flavor of free jazz!&quot; and &quot;Freedom is Always Chaotic!&quot;


Also, if anyone&#039;s working on it, I&#039;d also like one with Roland Kirk playing at least 3 horns, captioned &quot;Listen With All Your Might!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I want, no I need, this cartoon on a t-shirt, headlined<br />
&#8220;Let everyone taste the strange flavor of free jazz!&#8221; and &#8220;Freedom is Always Chaotic!&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, if anyone&#8217;s working on it, I&#8217;d also like one with Roland Kirk playing at least 3 horns, captioned &#8220;Listen With All Your Might!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Guthartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Guthartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Let everybody taste the strange flavor of free jazz.”&lt;/i&gt;
There&#039;s your new D:o motto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Let everybody taste the strange flavor of free jazz.”</i><br />
There&#8217;s your new D:o motto.</p>
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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got it!!! Chick says, &quot;Let everybody taste the strange flavor of free jazz.&quot;

Sorry, hard for me to let this kind of think go once it starts poking at me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got it!!! Chick says, &#8220;Let everybody taste the strange flavor of free jazz.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, hard for me to let this kind of think go once it starts poking at me.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ M</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a fan of Braxton&#039;s for awhile now.  I first got into avant-garde/free jazz as an undergraduate student at Wesleyan University (&#039;89-&#039;93).  Mr. Braxton joined Wesleyan&#039;s faculty during this time.  I later went on to do my master&#039;s thesis on the AACM.  Along the way I picked up a few choice gems.  I have all of the Braxton Arista LPs except the multi-orchestra box.   It&#039;s very cool that you&#039;re focusing on his music.  Back in the day, info about Mr. Braxton was hard to come by.  It&#039;s great to see people are still enthused about his work.  Have you heard these other amazing Braxton/Corea/Circle records:

Chick Corea - &quot;Circling In&quot; (Blue Note, recorded &#039;68, &#039;70; released&#039;75)(Braxton&#039;s only on 1 LP of this 2-LP set)
Circle - &quot;Live In German Concert&quot; (CBS/Sony Japan, recorded &#039;70; released &#039;7?)
Anthony Braxton w/ Chick Corea - &quot;Europa&quot; (Piccadilly, recorded &#039;71; released &#039;80)

Other great/obscure Braxton records in my collection I&#039;d love to see you discuss are:

Anthony Braxton - &quot;Creative Music Orchestra&quot; (Ring 3-LP box-set, recorded &#039;72, released &#039;7?)
Anthony Braxton/Szabados Gyorgy - &quot;Szabraxtondos&quot; (Artisjus, recorded &#039;84, released &#039;85)
the opera CD box-set released on Braxton House records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a fan of Braxton&#8217;s for awhile now.  I first got into avant-garde/free jazz as an undergraduate student at Wesleyan University (&#8217;89-&#8217;93).  Mr. Braxton joined Wesleyan&#8217;s faculty during this time.  I later went on to do my master&#8217;s thesis on the AACM.  Along the way I picked up a few choice gems.  I have all of the Braxton Arista LPs except the multi-orchestra box.   It&#8217;s very cool that you&#8217;re focusing on his music.  Back in the day, info about Mr. Braxton was hard to come by.  It&#8217;s great to see people are still enthused about his work.  Have you heard these other amazing Braxton/Corea/Circle records:</p>
<p>Chick Corea &#8211; &#8220;Circling In&#8221; (Blue Note, recorded &#8217;68, &#8217;70; released&#8217;75)(Braxton&#8217;s only on 1 LP of this 2-LP set)<br />
Circle &#8211; &#8220;Live In German Concert&#8221; (CBS/Sony Japan, recorded &#8217;70; released &#8217;7?)<br />
Anthony Braxton w/ Chick Corea &#8211; &#8220;Europa&#8221; (Piccadilly, recorded &#8217;71; released &#8217;80)</p>
<p>Other great/obscure Braxton records in my collection I&#8217;d love to see you discuss are:</p>
<p>Anthony Braxton &#8211; &#8220;Creative Music Orchestra&#8221; (Ring 3-LP box-set, recorded &#8217;72, released &#8217;7?)<br />
Anthony Braxton/Szabados Gyorgy &#8211; &#8220;Szabraxtondos&#8221; (Artisjus, recorded &#8217;84, released &#8217;85)<br />
the opera CD box-set released on Braxton House records.</p>
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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lied...how &#039;bout &quot;made the free jazz faction&#039;s performances more widespread&quot; in the caption? That sounds better and gets in the comparative I&#039;d left out.  I hate translating. &lt;i&gt;Now&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lied&#8230;how &#8217;bout &#8220;made the free jazz faction&#8217;s performances more widespread&#8221; in the caption? That sounds better and gets in the comparative I&#8217;d left out.  I hate translating. <i>Now</i> I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, sorry, that should have been &quot;modern music&#039;s new free jazz,&quot; under Dave.

Now I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, sorry, that should have been &#8220;modern music&#8217;s new free jazz,&#8221; under Dave.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last one would be bottom right.

Sorry that all came out all Chinglishy, btw, that&#039;s just what happens if you translate accurately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last one would be bottom right.</p>
<p>Sorry that all came out all Chinglishy, btw, that&#8217;s just what happens if you translate accurately.</p>
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		<title>By: yurintrubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>yurintrubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, what the hell, I&#039;ll bite. Because of the fuzziness on the left and my own limitations, I can&#039;t quite make out what Chick is saying, but...

Caption on top says, &quot;Chick Corea with Dave Holland and Anthony Braxton formed a band called Circle, spreading the free jazz faction&#039;s performances,&quot; something like that.

Dave says, &quot;Make use of new music&#039;s free jazz.&quot;

Like I said, I can&#039;t make all the words Chick says, something about the &quot;flavor of free jazz.&quot;

Long haired person in lower left hand corner says &quot;Wah!&quot;

The piano  says &quot;bi li li,&quot; which is some sort of onomatopoetic  music sound.

Two audience members on the bottom left say, &quot;No matter what age, freedom is always chaotic again,&quot;  something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, what the hell, I&#8217;ll bite. Because of the fuzziness on the left and my own limitations, I can&#8217;t quite make out what Chick is saying, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Caption on top says, &#8220;Chick Corea with Dave Holland and Anthony Braxton formed a band called Circle, spreading the free jazz faction&#8217;s performances,&#8221; something like that.</p>
<p>Dave says, &#8220;Make use of new music&#8217;s free jazz.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like I said, I can&#8217;t make all the words Chick says, something about the &#8220;flavor of free jazz.&#8221;</p>
<p>Long haired person in lower left hand corner says &#8220;Wah!&#8221;</p>
<p>The piano  says &#8220;bi li li,&#8221; which is some sort of onomatopoetic  music sound.</p>
<p>Two audience members on the bottom left say, &#8220;No matter what age, freedom is always chaotic again,&#8221;  something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: ledrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>ledrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant, Jason. Thanks, as ever, for the great clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, Jason. Thanks, as ever, for the great clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Guthartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Guthartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;CCC played around Paris for a year and then broke up. Sadly, the group’s only records (that we know of) are two live documents, recorded in New York on the same May day, which remain out of print.&quot;

Well,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Braxton/brax-chap2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not quite&lt;/a&gt;:
McCall would join Braxton, violinist Leroy Jenkins and trumpeter Leo Smith in a quartet sometimes called the “Anthony Braxton Quartet” or the “Creative Construction Company.” 
So &quot;Creative Construction Company&quot; also refers to the group on the two studio recordings for BYG under Braxton&#039;s name (&lt;i&gt;Anthony Braxton&lt;/i&gt; &amp; &lt;i&gt;This Time&lt;/i&gt;).
In fact, just before bringing up the &quot;rocks and bricks&quot; in that Lock interview, Braxton confirms that CCC broke up in Paris.  The NY concert was a one-time reunion -- and it was &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=BOcHpz6A85gC&amp;pg=PA88&amp;dq=%22creative+construction+company%22+braxton&amp;ei=GdLsSLPNHIPqyATIitzbBw&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;sig=ACfU3U12srcrLzkNw2yjtem6wVBNSEjH_w#PPA88,M1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;later that very evening&lt;/a&gt; when Braxton (&amp; Jack DeJohnette) first sat in with the Corea/Holland/Altschul trio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;CCC played around Paris for a year and then broke up. Sadly, the group’s only records (that we know of) are two live documents, recorded in New York on the same May day, which remain out of print.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well,  <a href="http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Braxton/brax-chap2.html" rel="nofollow">not quite</a>:<br />
McCall would join Braxton, violinist Leroy Jenkins and trumpeter Leo Smith in a quartet sometimes called the “Anthony Braxton Quartet” or the “Creative Construction Company.”<br />
So &#8220;Creative Construction Company&#8221; also refers to the group on the two studio recordings for BYG under Braxton&#8217;s name (<i>Anthony Braxton</i> &amp; <i>This Time</i>).<br />
In fact, just before bringing up the &#8220;rocks and bricks&#8221; in that Lock interview, Braxton confirms that CCC broke up in Paris.  The NY concert was a one-time reunion &#8212; and it was <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=BOcHpz6A85gC&amp;pg=PA88&amp;dq=%22creative+construction+company%22+braxton&amp;ei=GdLsSLPNHIPqyATIitzbBw&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;sig=ACfU3U12srcrLzkNw2yjtem6wVBNSEjH_w#PPA88,M1" rel="nofollow">later that very evening</a> when Braxton (&amp; Jack DeJohnette) first sat in with the Corea/Holland/Altschul trio.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May as well make it an even three.  Can anyone explain and/or translate that cartoon at the top?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May as well make it an even three.  Can anyone explain and/or translate that cartoon at the top?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, by the way. FUCK chick corea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, by the way. FUCK chick corea.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good posting, once again.  I&#039;ve always had an interest in the exact nature of Corea&#039;s early involvement in scientology.  He had such great recorded output before he converted--the &#039;lost quintet,&#039; IS, Joe Farrell quartet, ARC, Circle of course, etc.  The first return to forever was good in a cheesy breezy sort of way, mostly cause of the other musicians involved and the time period, but then...jesus.  Hymn of the seventh vulcan romantic warrior galaxy?? what happened chick, what happened.  or rather; what happened L. Ron, what happened.  Oh yeah, you were an insane meglomaniac sociopath hellbent on making fortunes through black magic.  ANYWAY apparently he later briefly converted Lee Konitz, but he left because it was getting expensive (the core of the faith) and how the fuck is Lee Konitz going to &#039;communicate&#039; more with his music to make millions?  &quot;Return to TristanoLand??&quot; The thought of it conjures an Ian Mckaye interview where he recalls his longtime auto mechanic remarking, after seeing Fugazi on some bullshit VH1 list of greatest hard rock bands, &quot;wow, looks like you guys are finally going somewhere!&quot;  all he could do was chuckle.  must have been somewhere in the ballpark of how braxton felt when the scientology higher ups tried to convince him to change his music.  (imagine braxton considering, even for half a damn second, changing his music in the slightest way.  now THATS an unfunny joke if i ever heard one)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good posting, once again.  I&#8217;ve always had an interest in the exact nature of Corea&#8217;s early involvement in scientology.  He had such great recorded output before he converted&#8211;the &#8216;lost quintet,&#8217; IS, Joe Farrell quartet, ARC, Circle of course, etc.  The first return to forever was good in a cheesy breezy sort of way, mostly cause of the other musicians involved and the time period, but then&#8230;jesus.  Hymn of the seventh vulcan romantic warrior galaxy?? what happened chick, what happened.  or rather; what happened L. Ron, what happened.  Oh yeah, you were an insane meglomaniac sociopath hellbent on making fortunes through black magic.  ANYWAY apparently he later briefly converted Lee Konitz, but he left because it was getting expensive (the core of the faith) and how the fuck is Lee Konitz going to &#8216;communicate&#8217; more with his music to make millions?  &#8220;Return to TristanoLand??&#8221; The thought of it conjures an Ian Mckaye interview where he recalls his longtime auto mechanic remarking, after seeing Fugazi on some bullshit VH1 list of greatest hard rock bands, &#8220;wow, looks like you guys are finally going somewhere!&#8221;  all he could do was chuckle.  must have been somewhere in the ballpark of how braxton felt when the scientology higher ups tried to convince him to change his music.  (imagine braxton considering, even for half a damn second, changing his music in the slightest way.  now THATS an unfunny joke if i ever heard one)</p>
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