Comments on: SUPERGROUP! http://destination-out.com/?p=917 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:25:19 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bart from Tampa http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94121 Bart from Tampa Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:23:51 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94121 This post has been up long enough for my sluggish mind to finally think of my favorite supergroup: Sonny Sharrock's line-up from his CD "Ask the Ages", consisting of Sharrock on guitar, Pharoah Sanders on sax, Charnett Moffett on bass and Elvin Jones on drums. Awesome! All of the other suggestions thus far are good choices too. This post has been up long enough for my sluggish mind to finally think of my favorite supergroup: Sonny Sharrock’s line-up from his CD “Ask the Ages”, consisting of Sharrock on guitar, Pharoah Sanders on sax, Charnett Moffett on bass and Elvin Jones on drums. Awesome! All of the other suggestions thus far are good choices too.

]]> By: Nania http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94120 Nania Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:50:34 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94120 Very cool blog, thanks! Have fun checking out one of my favorite artists: Catya Maré...you won´t regret it! She recently won both the Billboard World Song Contest and Hollywood Music in Media Award and released her third album last week.... www.catyamare.com Very cool blog, thanks!
Have fun checking out one of my favorite artists: Catya Maré…you won´t regret it!
She recently won both the Billboard World Song Contest and Hollywood Music in Media Award and released her third album last week….
http://www.catyamare.com

]]> By: AKinCLE http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94118 AKinCLE Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:59:10 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94118 "The Man in the Elevator"/"Der Mann in Fahrstuhl" is well worth hearing, and is more than the sum of its parts (I won't say that it has its ups and downs...). I was privileged to see a live presentation of it at FIMAV in Victoriaville, Quebec, in 1987. Here is that line-up, courtesy of Chris Cutler's "Long Taxonomical Biography": # Victoriaville Festival with Heiner Goebbels/Heiner Muller's 'Man in the Elevator'. With Fred Frith, Arto Lindsay, Andre Duchesne, Alfred Harth and Don Cherry. The piece alternates songs and texts in English and German on the CD, English and French in the FIMAV production. If I recall correctly, the singers were at the front of the stage, and the instrumentalists were behind them on platforms with scaffolding, similar to the set of "Hollywood Squares"...I probably still have my cassette of the show somewhere. At the end, I asked Arto to do a station ID for WCSB, Cleveland State's radio station, where I was a programmer at the time, and he said something to the effect of "I'm Arto Lindsay and I just gave the worst performance of my life." (It was fine.) “The Man in the Elevator”/”Der Mann in Fahrstuhl” is well worth hearing, and is more than the sum of its parts (I won’t say that it has its ups and downs…). I was privileged to see a live presentation of it at FIMAV in Victoriaville, Quebec, in 1987. Here is that line-up, courtesy of Chris Cutler’s “Long Taxonomical Biography”:

# Victoriaville Festival with Heiner Goebbels/Heiner Muller’s ‘Man in the Elevator’. With Fred Frith, Arto Lindsay, Andre Duchesne, Alfred Harth and Don Cherry.

The piece alternates songs and texts in English and German on the CD, English and French in the FIMAV production. If I recall correctly, the singers were at the front of the stage, and the instrumentalists were behind them on platforms with scaffolding, similar to the set of “Hollywood Squares”…I probably still have my cassette of the show somewhere. At the end, I asked Arto to do a station ID for WCSB, Cleveland State’s radio station, where I was a programmer at the time, and he said something to the effect of “I’m Arto Lindsay and I just gave the worst performance of my life.” (It was fine.)

]]> By: JW http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94117 JW Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:14:41 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94117 Okay, this is sort of cheap because I've never heard the music, but can we all marvel at the line-up on Heiner Goebbel's "The Man In the Elevator" - Charles Hayward - drums, percussion Fred Frith - guitar, bass Heiner Goebbels - piano, synthesizer Ned Rothenberg - saxophone, bass clarinet George Lewis - trombone Ernst Stötzner - voice Arto Lindsay - voice, guitar Don Cherry - voice, trumpet, strings [doussn' gouni] Okay, this is sort of cheap because I’ve never heard the music, but can we all marvel at the line-up on Heiner Goebbel’s “The Man In the Elevator” -

Charles Hayward – drums, percussion
Fred Frith – guitar, bass
Heiner Goebbels – piano, synthesizer
Ned Rothenberg – saxophone, bass clarinet
George Lewis – trombone
Ernst Stötzner – voice
Arto Lindsay – voice, guitar
Don Cherry – voice, trumpet, strings [doussn' gouni]

]]> By: tom Gsteiger http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94116 tom Gsteiger Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:28:52 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94116 now, here's a really very rare super supergroup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXePvT5H0s now, here’s a really very rare super supergroup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXePvT5H0s

]]> By: chris http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94115 chris Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:07:33 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94115 Fieldwork 4 Corners Gush Fieldwork
4 Corners
Gush

]]> By: lafamos http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94114 lafamos Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:43:11 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94114 bah i double typed the wrong key bah i double typed the wrong key

]]> By: lafamos http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94113 lafamos Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:42:32 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94113 any group with don cherry and don morre is an automatic win and listening to these recordings further solidifies that any group with don cherry and don morre is an automatic win and listening to these recordings further solidifies that

]]> By: Ronnie O http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94112 Ronnie O Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:15:40 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94112 Clarinet Summit's a good addition. Slideride with Ray Anderson, et al.'s a similarly conceived delight. Clarinet Summit’s a good addition. Slideride with Ray Anderson, et al.’s a similarly conceived delight.

]]> By: Jake http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94111 Jake Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:14:21 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94111 Clarinet Summit: John Carter, Alvin Batiste, Jimmy Hamilton, David Murray Clarinet Summit: John Carter, Alvin Batiste, Jimmy Hamilton, David Murray

]]> By: Ronnie O http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94110 Ronnie O Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:14:20 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94110 I am wrestling with the terms "super group" and/versus "supergroup." In a jazz context, where there are so many (qualitative, quantitative and other) combinations or permutations, what do those terms even mean? Without giving it much thought, the Brotherhood of Breath, ROVA and the WSQ spring to mind, but I don't think they truly satisfy the term, especially given their longevity and recording activity, and especially if super group means one-off (or, since the blog is focused on officially released recordings, if super-group implies an officially released, one-off recording). How about Roots (with Arthur Blythe, Chico Freeman, Sam Rivers, Don Pullen, et al.? The group was a super group, the subject matter was somewhat unusual for the group, and they were sort of a one-off. if we're not so limited in scope, then in addition to the groups I mentioned, I'd add Air, SToNY, a heap of different Braxton groups, a heap of different Vandermark groups, a heap of different John Zorn groups, etc., etc. I am wrestling with the terms “super group” and/versus “supergroup.” In a jazz context, where there are so many (qualitative, quantitative and other) combinations or permutations, what do those terms even mean? Without giving it much thought, the Brotherhood of Breath, ROVA and the WSQ spring to mind, but I don’t think they truly satisfy the term, especially given their longevity and recording activity, and especially if super group means one-off (or, since the blog is focused on officially released recordings, if super-group implies an officially released, one-off recording). How about Roots (with Arthur Blythe, Chico Freeman, Sam Rivers, Don Pullen, et al.? The group was a super group, the subject matter was somewhat unusual for the group, and they were sort of a one-off. if we’re not so limited in scope, then in addition to the groups I mentioned, I’d add Air, SToNY, a heap of different Braxton groups, a heap of different Vandermark groups, a heap of different John Zorn groups, etc., etc.

]]> By: Guy http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94109 Guy Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:34:21 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94109 globe unity orchestra brötzmann's chicago tentet last exit die like a dog sonore ... globe unity orchestra
brötzmann’s chicago tentet
last exit
die like a dog
sonore
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]]> By: John Garratt http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94108 John Garratt Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:20:45 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94108 Air Last Exit Material Masada Air
Last Exit
Material
Masada

]]> By: Karl Evangelista http://destination-out.com/?p=917&cpage=1#comment-94106 Karl Evangelista Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:40:14 +0000 http://destination-out.com/?p=917#comment-94106 Christ, the blowing is strong on these recordings. I'd always been put off by the NYC5's group dynamic, having heard the Montmarte album first; the rhythm section, Moses in particular (whom I really enjoy in other contexts), is so unbelievably scattered and insensitive on that recording, and the weighted, dense sound of the arrangements (redolent I guess of the Shepp/Rudd orchestrations on Shepp's earlier Impulse albums) are executed with very little finesse. I guess it was always my sense that this group comprised less than the sum of its parts. Not so, I supppose, with either these recordings or those sides split with Dixon on Savoy, which reveal a much more coherent group sound--a nice balance between ferocity and intellectualism. The only supergroups I can wrap my mind around at the moment: the original Lifetime (either with or without Jack Bruce), probably the paragon (for me, with Mwandishi) of early electric jazz ensembles, Old and New Dreams, the members of whom I don't recall ever recording together in a small group setting before that band's formation, and the Brotherhood of Breath (upon whose story I am sitting, having a mound of thesis research packed into my hard drive that I want to revise, slightly, before publishing, revealing here in order to goad myself into productivity). Christ, the blowing is strong on these recordings. I’d always been put off by the NYC5′s group dynamic, having heard the Montmarte album first; the rhythm section, Moses in particular (whom I really enjoy in other contexts), is so unbelievably scattered and insensitive on that recording, and the weighted, dense sound of the arrangements (redolent I guess of the Shepp/Rudd orchestrations on Shepp’s earlier Impulse albums) are executed with very little finesse. I guess it was always my sense that this group comprised less than the sum of its parts.

Not so, I supppose, with either these recordings or those sides split with Dixon on Savoy, which reveal a much more coherent group sound–a nice balance between ferocity and intellectualism.

The only supergroups I can wrap my mind around at the moment: the original Lifetime (either with or without Jack Bruce), probably the paragon (for me, with Mwandishi) of early electric jazz ensembles, Old and New Dreams, the members of whom I don’t recall ever recording together in a small group setting before that band’s formation, and the Brotherhood of Breath (upon whose story I am sitting, having a mound of thesis research packed into my hard drive that I want to revise, slightly, before publishing, revealing here in order to goad myself into productivity).

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